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« on: July 01, 2008, 02:25:22 am »

In the following I've reposted some of the most useful posts from the old forum. I've probably not covered all bases so please add anything you think is relevant:

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there is always the consideration of cleaning concerning male bottoms - and females who do anal - add your tips for effective clean outs...


I am not able to accomedate a fist - I am relatively new to bottoming - but I have been able to get to a point where I can handle large - even huge cocks - as of this writing my bottom sessions are always preplotted - I am meticulous about being clean before I consider bottoming - so it takes me a minimal of half hour and on high resistant days as long as an hour to effectively and confidently be completely clean - I go exxxtremely deep using the steel shower wand - all the way into the "second stage" of the rectum - passed the first opening - I have heard from others that that is probably going deeper than necesary or recommended - but my purposes for this is because I never have a predetermined partner - thus I have no idea how long it will take on any given night to land an acceptable partner - thus I need the clean out to last for a long time... I alternate from the shower head to various sized dongs - each larger and opening me up more - then using the wand/water after each size to clean out deeper and deeper - I find it not only gets the clean out done - but makes me prepared to accomedate larger sizes having stretched out a bit in advance... the largest dong size I am currently using is a pretty thick 7" which does reach and open up my "second stage/opening" which allows me to clean deep - I have been using that size for quite sometime - and today I think I will head to ye ole adult shop to buy the next largest size... my personal preference is the jelly type dongs - they seems to be easier to accomedate... Huh anyway I have little experience advise or tips to add other than I have a few wiffs of poppers during the clean out which usually helps movements until I can get cleaned out - and then I use them during sex as after your cleaned out they and there is no chance of movements they make larger sizes easier to accomedate...

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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2008, 02:34:06 am »

Fuzynavl wrote

I have a 3' and a 5' silicon FR40 Delrin colon tubes... i usually start with the 3' and 2 quarts of warm.. 100F or so water... then work up to the 5' and about 6 quarts... then i lay down and roll from side to side... this makes the water flow into the transverse part of the colon.... when i get reay to empty i lat on my left side... this will return the water to the lower colon... and why all this cleaning you ask.... my wife inserta a double headed 18" silicon dong... then grabs it with ner hand... inserts her fist and goes till she gets to her elbow.... i have always loved deep penetration... but it has taken a lot of time to work up to the depths we achive... it takes time, patience and when you think you got enough lube use another tube smile.gif

on a side note.... some of the lubes contain glycerin.. so they can iritate a little and act like a laxative... after i "rinse" i usually insert a few ounce of olive oil to keep the inside running smooth....

Grimalkin wrote

 Hi I use a Gardena garden spray with an enema tip instead of the metal spray thingy.
The spray canister holds 5 litres of water and you can control the flow using the trigger device on the spray gun.
The rate of flow is slower than with a shower (I've hurt myself once or twice with a shower device).
The advantage is that you don't need to be near the shower, or have a stand. For example you can lie on a bed or sit on the toilet while douching.

I find the best method is to fill the spray canister with water just above body temperature, and then to lie on my left side with the tube inserted in my bottom.
Allow the water to trickle in. Its usually quite fierce just after you've pumped up the pressure, but it slows down. Often you cannot hold much on the first application as there is so much waste in the system, so its quite a good idea to do the first one sitting on the lavvy.
As I said, lie down on your left side and allow the water to trickle in. Stop as soon you start feeling a cramp. Breathe deeply and regularly until the cramp goes over. Keep on running water in for as long as you can. You will hear/feel the water gurgling as it goes up through the intestines.
Technically speaking its dangerous to take more than 3 litres, as there is a danger of thinning your blood. But in practice I often take in as much as 4 or 5 (even though this makes me feel dizzy).

Once you've got enough on board move carefully to the loo and let fly. If you don't want muck under the seat lift the seat before sitting on the loo. After the first batch has come out stand up straight and more will come out again.

I usually repeat the whole operation twice, and do a quick flush on the loo to make sure all the tiny bits are out afterwards.
Each canister takes about half an hour.
Afterwards I won't have a bowel motion for at least 36 hours.

Magicwand wrote:

You can only help yourself by cleaning out. Some fecal matter is rough and can scratch your rectum when inserting toys or hands. Time permitting I will take a series of 3 enemas...1st is warm and soapy...then 2 more to rinse clean. tongue.gif I am into enemas as well as all other forms of ass play. I take enemas of 3 to 4 quarts and hold them for a few minutes before expelling. I think that is important to be clean regardless of whether you have a partner or are alone. For a fast cleansing I have an attachment for my shower that I cleanse with. Do yourself a favor and Google "enema" and have fun.

Magicwand wrote:

I would like to add that inserting 2 or 3 glycerin suppositories and holding them until you must expel will bring out lots of solids....then douche.

Magicwand wrote:

 laugh.gif I take an enema...a 3 quart bag of warm water with 3 or 4 ounces of glycerin mixed in. I hold it for a few minutes and expel. The glycerin loosens all the bad stuff and you expel it. This is better than soap and water, when all seems to be expelled there is another urge....and the stuff in the cecum finally comes out. Rinse out good after this and lube up. Play until you can't play any more. CAUTION: If you have fissures or bowel lesions don't use glycerin, it will irritate and make it worse....of course you should not be practicing fisting or insertions with lesions.

I also take enemas solely for the erotic sensations and I fully believe enemas detox the liver and pancreas. Every Saturday morning I take a cleansing enema with my choice of additives for detoxification. I am 54 and friends tell me I look 10 years younger. My nozzle of choice....I have an 18" double ended dildo that I have drilled completely through. I insert this about 14 or 15 inches. The enema fills the colon....OH Yea!!

This is time well spent

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Magic

Harvickfan29 wrote:

 Well secretdesires, the first thing you've got to reckon with is that there is no such thing as completely clean. What you're really trying to do (and I'm not nitpicking language here, this is a HUGE distinction!!!!) is completely clean from a certain point on down. This is just way easier said than done, unless your cut off point is the sigmoid, which is a nice, tight dividing line (for most people at least laugh.gif) keeping the rectum separate from the rest of the colon. No matter how you go about it (like vortex, I too use a colon tube) the object is to clean up to a certain point and not get any water any further in. My personal suggestion is that if you're only going to play rectally (like the vast majority of people doing anal play) then try not get much water above to rectum and into the sigmoid. Rinsing the rectum out is quick and easy, then wait some time in case that makes stuff from right above go ahead and descend. If it does, don't worry, just do the same thing and rinse out again. You may want to give yourself a bit of time and do this simple process several times. The important thing to remember is that no advice we can give you will make up for your own experience. Your system is going to clean a bit differently from anyone else and only time and experience will help you to learn your own body.

Also, don't be surprised if what works for you right now doesn't work forever. Your system will probably change over time, most people do. Getting clean is way harder for me these days because of my depth play experience. For me, reaching a spot that I can clean up to but not beyond can be a lot of work, so many times I will clean really, really deeply (around 4 feet or so) and then wait until the next day when a quick rinse 3 feet deep or so gets me really clean.

My bottom line on the subject though is to be patient with yourself and try to learn what works for your own body. It'll take a bit of time, but you'll get there with some persistence. smile.gif

Lubik wrote:

I agree with previous reply... only way to get completely clean is use of laxatives (e.g. X-PREP which is given to the patients before operations on intestinal tract... however you cannot use them regularly)

So for everyday use is enema the best solution. There are 3 main parts on your intestines which act as sphincters - anus, sigmoid and cecum. (I hope the picture is in attachment - here is the link: http://www.toilet-related-ailments.com/ima...Diagram-New.jpg )


It depends how deep you want to be clean - if it is just for finger play or anal sex small clysma is sufficient (about 200-300 ml of salt or clean water in syringe or a litlle bit of glycerine instilled). Easiest way is to use a shower in squatting position repeatedly. Sometimes it starts the bowel peristaltics and also the faeces from higher level will go out.

You wrote that you had used a 1 litre enema bag - with that amount the water flew over the sigmoid to the transversum colon... the next stop is cecum (see the picture) the colon and therefore if you want to completely clean yourself you have to repeat the procedure several times (1-2 litres, 3-4 times) until you feel clean. There is no need to hurry, the all empying procedure should take 30-60 minutes and for the best results is good to relax after it for some time (mine favorite is warm bath) to relax your bowels after irritating them. This assures you empty bowels and you can freely play anally as deep as you want rolleyes.gif

Janey wrote:

I reguarly participate in enemas and there is very little risk providing you listen to your body.

Some people believe in using distilled water but Tap water is safe to use and I have used ordinary tap water for years. A few tips...

1. Make sure the water is not too hot. (Test it with your tongue as this has similar sensitivity to your colon) Cold water can be used and I have even heard of people using iced water but the colder the water the more painful the cramping is and iced water seems dangerous as I would imagine this could shock your system.

2. Take your time and let the water enter your slowly, stopping the flow if the cramping is too bad and continuing when it passes. If you are attaching the hose to a water faucet keep the pressure right down as you don't want a ruptured colon! I find using a gravity fed enema bag best.

3. Use a little salt in your water. and the salt stops your body from absorbing the water through your colon, which can cause dizziness. 1 teaspoon per litre is a good guide.

4. If you are trying for a large volume enema use a couple of small enemas to clean yourself out first then you will find it easier to hold a little more. It may take lot's of practice to get to your maximum volume and what may be a small enema to someone may be huge for someone else so get to know your own limits.

Hope this helps. If you need any other advice just ask.
Janey.XX




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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2008, 02:51:39 am »

Thank you grimalkin for bringing this topic over, I am sure there will be more tips as people read it, and it is already very informative






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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2008, 08:40:25 pm »

I've seen plenty of enema posts on how-to and different types of nozles. But how about some info on what liquids/additives to use. Like what to use to make your hole and walls magiclly expand to go from anal virgin to Johnny Ridder in one night (heh =P ), or what to use to make it extra senitive, or even for the S/M punishmet side what to use to make it burn slightly. That type of info would be priceless to me.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2008, 03:11:44 am »

Table salt is one possible additive.
Specialist enema sites suggest all kinds of additives.
I sometimes like to enema with half skim milk and yoghurt and half water.
This makes your insides feel real soft when you are fisted.

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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2008, 07:09:57 pm »

I'm new to cleansing the colon.

The problem I'm having is that I'll use my shower hose, fill my rear with water and then expel, I repeat it till it comes out clear. I try to purge out all of the remaining fluid that is in me, but later as I'm walking around I continue to drain. Little spurts here and there, sometimes a nasty flow will come rushing out. I end up feeling dirtier than before.

That happened this morning. I got out of the shower, got dressed for work and felt more water waiting to come out. Thinking it would be clear, I was wrong... It was like diarrhea. Got back in the shower cleaned up again, and even after 15 minutes still had water draining out sporadically (at least it was clean this time). I was running late, and came upon the only solution I could think of - I inserted a tampon.

What am I doing wrong regarding enemas and cleaning out?
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 10:10:52 pm »

the colon is 5 feet long with many kinks and turns, and automatic nerve control, it is common to have some nasty stuff 'come down' after you think you are clean... just another peristaltic wave.. the only thing to do is re-rinse or learn to hold it! it will eventually get absorbed,, after an half hour or so,,or you could do like i do and insert a dildo or plug to stimulate the colon to get a more complete expultion..i like to push a long toy in and out to massage my colon internally,, usually get some water every time i remove the toy and re-insert it..  then push it all the way in and let it set in place for a few minutes, very soon  a wave is generated that trys to push out the toy along with  any water,
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2008, 03:50:21 am »

Safe Enema question.

A safe volume for an enema is 2 to 3 litres of water. More than this might cause thinning of the blood as a result of absorption of water from the bowel.

Most enema kits are designed for 2 litres.

Safe mix: the safest mix is plain water with a couple of tablespoons of ordinary kitchen salt in the water.

Safe enema tube tip: thicker colon tubes are safer than thin ones. There is a very slight danger that you could push a thin tube through the intestinal wall, but my experience is that the tube will bend double rather than do any damage.

If you lie on your left hand side while receiving the enema, the liquid will naturally flow into your colon.

A good enema can't be rushed. Allow enough time for both receiving the liquid and for getting rid of afterwards.







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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2008, 06:52:58 am »

Are shower shots or just plain hoses safe?

Currently what I do is I have a syringe I fill with water, and just inject it until I can't take anymore and repeat the water comes out clear.

I finally moved to place with no room-mate (all alone now!) so when my gf to visit, my toys and such don't need to be hidden right away.  So anyway, is a shower shot or just plain garden hose safe?
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2008, 03:03:58 am »

shower shots are okay, but I always worry about the temperature of the water. Could your water suddenly get very hot? Is the water pressure constant or does it vary strongly when other people turn on a top?
If you use the garden hose try to make the end of the hose soft so that it doesn't cut you on the inside. Maybe you could make some kind of nozzle.
I'm thinking of buying a colon snake. Expensive but good for cleaning higher up.

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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2008, 06:16:20 am »

Enemas are something I enjoy not only as part of cleaning out prior to playing, but also for just feeling better overall.  Even though my play generally only involves going up about 8" (the toy I use is an 8" dildo and on the occasions when I have taken a hand or most of one inside, it has only been about 7-8" up), I still love the feeling of having my colon as clean and clear as possible; it just makes me feel better overall.

However, I do wish I could get the same kind of results I want in less time.  Sometimes it takes me hours to get as clean as I want to be and feeling the way I want to feel, whether I am about to engage in anal play or not.  I think the longest one I ever had took close to ten hours to get done (keep in mind that was over a one day period) but I felt really clean after that.  I try to wait until I have gone 24 hours without putting any new food into my system but have not found that to be absolutely necessary; you can still get clean without fasting like that (although I would not recommend having any enema within a few hours after eating if it can be avoided; I have done it and it has been fine but it can result in some stomach discomfort and gas.)

In general, a few things have been helpful in my experience:

-I elect to stick with the plain old 2qt. red hot water bottle enema bags bought at the drugstore rather than anything fancy, and to stick with warm tap water (with maybe a drop or two of antibacterial soap) rather than any special solutions or equipment. 

-I usually wait until just after a natural evacuation to have one, as that to me is the best time to do a good clean out.  The first few bags I hold for as long as I can, laying on my back on a towel by the tub and relaxing, until I have to expel.  After that I usually proceed onwards to a series of several more, holding for maybe a minute or two or less.

-Be careful not to get the water too hot.  In my experience, if it is too hot to hold your wrist under the water without any discomfort, it is too hot to put inside your body.

-I start out on my back but once the water runs pretty clean I start using what is often called the "knee chest" position (hands and knees, head down) as that will allow for really deep cleaning.  Once that water runs clean I usually do a few bags to rinse until the water runs totally clear.

-If you begin to feel lightheaded or nauseous, either slow down or stop, as you can absorb too much water.  Make sure to drink something that will replenish your potassium and/or electrolytes.

This process can take a long time.  But realistically, if you have a decent diet and are relaxed and not stressed, it really should not take more than a few hours (anywhere from 1.5-2.5 hours) to get an extremely good clean out where you can play worry free.  When I keep it up consistently (doing a good enema every few days) I can easily do so in a couple of hours and during a time when I was doing it nearly every day it only took about an hour as long as I did it immediately following a natural bowel movement.

All that being said, if anyone has any advice on how to get a deep cleaning using just a standard hot water bottle kit in less time, I am definitely open to more tips! 

 
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2008, 01:45:38 am »

Dear Shvdetc
Good post and plenty of good advice.
If there's anything I disagree with it might be the antibacterial soap, because you don't really want to kill off all your intestinal flora. But I suppose a drop or two won't hurt much. Nonetheless a better idea might be to add a tablespoon of table salt.
I find that cleaning out is a bit of a touch and go business. Sometimes you clean out and you still give your fisting partner a dirty hand despite all your trying. Other times you clean out and you remain clean as a whistle.
I think that sometimes you just try to get too clean and the water goes up higher and higher and brings down material from the small intestine. Theoretically there is no limit to the cleaning process. The more that goes up the more material you will bring out.
I find that a satisfactory clean out will take two to three hours. And that if you try to rush it you'll just achieve the opposite effect.
On the day that I'm going to be fisted, I try to enema as early as possible. The first enema is usually good for removing stool from the rectum and lower colon. The second enema taken about two hours afterwards goes up higher and cleans out the colon properly. The third enema, again two hours later is really more of a flush to get rid of any material that might be left behind, but if anything significant comes out, I will flush out a fourth time shortly before the fun starts.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2008, 06:43:17 pm »

Without having yet been able to circle my partner's wrist and not knowing the consequence of her reaching the sigmoind sphincter, I have been quite successful in staying 'clean' with 3 to 4 rinses from a refilled standard enema packet (after removing the chemicals).  Are we courting a messy result once she pushes through?  (We are getting very close.)
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2008, 02:26:55 am »

Not quite sure what you mean by a standard enema packet, but I doubt that you will suddenly have a big mess on your hands.
If you are doubtful, try first pushing a flexible dildo through. If it comes out dirty then maybe you need to clean out more.
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2008, 04:42:05 am »

OK, Grim.  Over here we have these Fleet's Enema packs that have about 4 1/2 ounces of fluid in them.  I empty them out and replace the liquid with warm water.  This is nowhere near the 2 quart volumes I am reading about in this thread.  3 tp 4 flushes seem to work just fine.  Am I missing something here?
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